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Everyday, Tiffany must add ‘ my dad ignored me most of my life’ to her daily gratitudes list.
@Stefan Jakubowski Kool beans
@Stefan Jakubowski Dry socket rocket Liberal lubrication launch code?
tiffany has gotten very “trumpy” since 2017.
yeah, that’s weird (seemingly … given reality ….) that she has _purposely_ aimed for that.
guessing “nature” is beating “nurture” for tiff.
One jerk derailed the whole conversation.
@Stefan Jakubowski Funny funny funny. Great rejoinder
Gym Jordan Conspired in the Jan 6th Insurrection! He’s one of that gang of 12 . . . 13, if you count the Orange Overlord. Those calls are all recorded (or should be?) and need to be played before the Committee! Not just records, but CONTENT! Thank GOD for the internet! Lock them up!
@A T this is about The insurrection ! And, yeah, one can find that trump’s people used the protests to attack police, police station, burn cars, starting fires, and hunt down Antifa and BLM ! The damage they were caught on film doing, and were arrested for, admitted during arrests, they were to claim to be both Antifa and BLM. They got caught. Yeah, give them long jail term Anyone caught looting should be sentenced accordingly. Looting is not acceptable. By anyone. Period.
@Brian Wade First of all, we don’t use the term insurrection. Instead we’re going with a political justice rally that some people took too far.
Second, I’ve heard that wild conspiracy theory before about super secret Trump supporters who led the year and a half of riots. Lol!
I like that Gym spelling . That should never be forgotten. Crime he’s in office. If he opens his mouth, he’s lying.
@Stefan Jakubowski He is known in my family as “hayseed” or “reach around jim” We live in district he “represents” .
@A T Nah, WE’RE good with the term INSURRECTION.
Jim is not making a mixed tape people, he’s just lying I…I…I Yeah right! He talked to traitor Trump the day of.
@Patience Sisters
I started the process,” Trump said at a rally in Ohio in late June, his first since losing the presidency. “All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. [The Biden administration] couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process.”
@maria schultz
I started the process,” Trump said at a rally in Ohio in late June, his first since losing the presidency. “All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. [The Biden administration] couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process.”
@Lillian Matthews trump demanded the execution of innocent black men
@Stefan Jakubowski , Whats your point? Leaving wasnt the issue. Leaving as an Unconditional Retreat w/o a plan is the ISSUE. It was bungled and that is why Americans have ZERO confidence in this Fraudulent administration.
@maria schultz trump had no plan, that’s the point, he wanted out may 1, with no planning that’s the point
Everyone seems to be getting the “party” affiliation incorrect. Adam Kinsinger is a republican. Mitt Romney is a republican. Jordan, Greene, Boebert, Brooks, and others are Facists. Please make a note of it🤣😄
You are ABSOLUTELY correct. And one of the essential aspects of fascism is that they will lie constantly to pretend they aren’t fascists– they ALWAYS claim to be “great patriots” trying to “save the nation” FROM the actual nation.
@Judith Bradford thank you. It is not rocket science. You can read transcripts of historical documents of political rethoric of 1920s Italy or 1930s Germany and see a direct(whether conscience or oblivious) corralation of language used and promoted by facists. And this is the falicy of teaching history as propaganda as opposed to fact. That is a product of republican policy in regards to American education
@Annette Pora
Thank you for noting the difference. You are correct, and it is important.
That was a perfect response
Noted
Funny thing about mobs and riots. Once you set them in motion, you’ve lost control. It speaks to the intelligence of these people when you view their allegiance to DJT.
@Brian Wade democrats are the slave owners and created the “clan”…that is on you and no amount of posturing and brain vomit will change your guilt…deal with it.
@Steve F
Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home — but not for housing. They are strong for labor — but they are stronger for restricting labor’s rights. They favor minimum wage — the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all — but they won’t spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine — for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing — but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing — so long as it doesn’t spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.”
On 13 October 1948, President Harry Truman
Under trump we had the highest income disparity in fifty years
In 2019 trump jumped farm bankruptcies by 24percent with associated suicides
First president since WW2 to lose net jobs
In fact trump had lower job creation than obama by 23percent and that was pre pandemic
@Stefan Jakubowski I have family that are farmers and what you just copied and pasted from your democrat goebbels team is NOT what happened. Try leaving mommies couch in the basement or at least change channels and learn to read.
@Steve F Whatever dude ! You’re nothing. Absolutely nothing. To humanity, you have absolutely nothing to offer, except for the stain, that you are, on this Nation’s collective soul. Today’s National lesson.
@Steve F But that doesn’t count. Nobody wants to see both sides. It’s OK for them to destroy half of the major cities in America in the name of (what they call) justice. When in reality those riots were nothing more than a gang of uppity thugs protesting for a piece of trash, which lead to the civil unrest of America, supported by the democrat leaders of the cities they destroyed.
we cant police everyone, sadly. to paraphrase carlin but on an unrelated topic- we dont know how to take care of each other , were gonna save the planet???
HIS FINAL STATEMENT:THE PLANET IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE,BUT WE ARE.
“we would hope that members of the former administration would be willing to cooperate….” YEAH, RIGHT!! That’s 45’s history!! He’ll have everything tied up in court using daddy’s money for as long as possible; that’s his home run swing. Lie, stall, divert attention, commit new crimes, repeat.
@Jeremy Saunders trump killed more civilians in months then Obama did in 8 years
In fact with his change of rules of engagement, civilian deaths by strikes rose 330 percent under trump
Where were you then?
Still looking for a grab from the mango Mussolini
@Stefan Jakubowski wheres your facts on trump killing people
@Jeremy Saunders google it without blinkers on.
You mean the gullible donors’ embezzled campaign or big lie monies ?
@Jeremy Saunders since you asked
The report (pdf), by Neta C. Crawford of the Brown University Watson Institute’s Costs of War Project—one of the premier authorities on civilian casualties in the 19-year so-called War on Terror—found a 330% increase in the number of Afghan civilians killed by U.S.-led airstrikes from 2016, the final year of the Obama administration, to 2019.
From 2007 to 2016, U.S.-led and Afghan government forces killed an average of 582 civilians each year, the report found. From 2017 through 2019, those same forces killed an average of 1,134 civilians each year, a nearly 95% increase.
The sharp uptick in civilian deaths followed a decision by President Donald Trump, in consultation with former Defense Secretary James Mattis and other military and civilian officials, to relax rules of engagement in the Afghan war in order to give U.S. commanders more battlefield flexibility and to gain leverage at the bargaining table with the Taliban as both sides sought to end the devastating war whose course has spanned nearly the entire 21st century.
Here’s a way to tell if Jim Jordan is being untruthful: If he sounds like Porky Pig, he’s lying.
Ha – well observed
@Nancy Hi KKKaren
@Buckeye Auditor Check the big brain here.. like tRump educated.. hahahah
WOW, so clever, Took all week for that??
@Stefan Jakubowski “Looking for a grab” 😅
HE TOOK CARE OF IT DIDN’T HE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE IF WE THE PEOPLE DIDN’T VOTE HIM OUT.
President Bush called. Apparently, he has a ginormous MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner he says we can use.
But he had the guts to get US out of FOREVER WAR that Bush Jr., Obama, and Genius Trump could not.
Biden failed so bad. He botched the exit.
@Elizabeth B
I started the process,” Trump said at a rally in Ohio in late June, his first since losing the presidency. “All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. [The Biden administration] couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process.”
@A T
I started the process,” Trump said at a rally in Ohio in late June, his first since losing the presidency. “All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. [The Biden administration] couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process.”
@Stefan Jakubowski Trump would not have botched the exit. It would have been safe and orderly and he wouldn’t have handed our enemies tons of high tech military equipment. Biden’s exit was terrible. No debate here.
Trump needs to be legally responsible for his many crimes especially his incitement insurrection which is a felony!
I don’t understand this comment. Do you just watch news you like? The FBI investigation into what happened on January 6th has come out. I don’t like either side. Both factions are equally delusional. You ppl have been divided and brainwashed.
Way to flip the attn away from Biden
🍊man committed treason nothing else but treason and too bad we can’t have him deported sent off to another planet and he can be president there with his Doodoo dada dingdong‘s followers!!!
*”If society today allows wrong to go unchallenged the impression is created that those wrongs have the approval of the majority.”*
-Rep. Barbara Jordan
@Wayne Edward
I started the process,” Trump said at a rally in Ohio in late June, his first since losing the presidency. “All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. [The Biden administration] couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process.”
@wordsculpt until you get in touch with reality don’t judge me or my comments…….DA.
@Wayne Edward YOUR DELUSIONAL ! NONE OF THAT WILL HAPPEN, EVER ! TRUMPF WILL NEVER STEP FOOT INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN ! WORST PRESIDENT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 🇺🇲
JAIL IS IN HIS FUTURE. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE CHAIR FITTING FOR TRUMP, AND IT’S QUITE A SHOCKER ! 🇺🇲 NOTHING YOU SAY, WILL CHANGE ANYTHING !
@R W Trumpf’s actions and conduct turned off and away, all of allies ! He weakened our Nation, not make it stronger. His term was disasterous for the United States of America ! 🇺🇲
Sad to see how few people remember Rep. B. Jordan. Brilliant Lady indeed.
I pretty much knew and still know they are “lying geniuses.” The body language is unstable and always putting up a front. They gonna get them one by one, that is to say if they can go to jail. “the naked truth is coming out.”
Jordan’s tell?
Hitching up his trousers.
I dream of the day that anything sticks to Teflon don I’m blown away that he had been able to deflect responsibility so far for what is obviously completely on him and his croneys
The only thing that will stick to trump, and hurt him, is the scorn he will feel once his true inner circle of sycophants start to ignore him. For a man who desires and demands attention, being ignored will cut him to the quick. That’s why he really wants back in office, the allure of power. Remember what was said so long ago, the elite of New York go to his parties but they do not invite him to their’s.
Nothing is sticking. For years I thought checks and balances meant something completely different. Come to find out, the true meaning was this, those who could write the biggest checks and were best at finagling balance sheets had the potential to be invincible. When it is apparent to those who are not American, it further sullies the reputation the US tried to cultivate for years.
Think this is why someone running out into the street shooting off his rifle in frustration..should be accepted..
One reporter on a different clip said it best, “If Jim Jordan can’t remember, he could just look at his phone a refresh his memory. He’s a smart enough guy, I’m sure he already knows that.”
@Deconstruction
Or apparently even have a GED.
@Cindy Pomerleau as Boebert & Green.
Depends on how you define “smart” – Jordan may or may not be intelligent. Where he excels is in the area of Arrogance – he can, with a straight face, tell blatant LIES. As his Mentor Trump said – tell a lie enough times & it becomes the truth. Thank the Lord there are records!!👍👍🙄
@K. Patricia Hutt LMAO… he’ll deny video evidence of him doing and saying stuff too.
@Deconstruction 💖🖖
The only way to understand Afghanistan is to be an Afghan, even then it’s hard work.
Afghanistan isn’t a nation. It’s a collection of tribal entities that’s called a nation. If the Americans had created federal states for each defined entity they might have had a chance. Most of the bottom third of the country is Pashtun. They straddle the border with Pakistan. Most of the problems came because the West imposed its form of government. A pyramid style centralised government. Something akin to a German style government might have worked.
What Maddow failed to mention is that by popular myth one of those Indo-British invasions of 1842 only one soldier escaped back from Kabul. Though this is slightly incorrect. The survivor was a surgeon called William Brydon.
@Shelly of the PNW should should should.
@Deb Shaw
The Afghan Army hasn’t run away “tail between their legs” as you put it. Nothing is that simple.
The Taliban has not **suddenly** come out of nowhere, they have always retained control over some parts of the country and this has been growing for over a year. They have **always** maintained a base, schools (madrasas) & financial ties with Pakistan, including part of the Pakistani ISI.
They trade in opium and women – over $2 billion annually.
The Taliban doesn’t offer negotiations. They target Afghani armed forces members and their families – show up at their homes with ancient knives used to slit throats & skin people alive.
What would you do in that scenario?
Military strategists have been saying, since the beginning, but especially this past month, that the US trained the Afghans to operate _like the US armed forces_ – they only ever functioned as a ‘branch’ of the US armed forces in Afghanistan. There was no independent, stand-alone Afghan Army capable of fighting on Afghan terms/ rules/ etc.
They needed the technological backup & when the US leaves (/left), that left too.
Nothing is as simple as most people are commenting.
It is cruel to judge so harshly, from a safe distance, in a safe place, when you are talking about literal survival.
FWIW, there is an area of Afghanistan that is not under the control of the Taliban. Its leader is the son of the only successful Afghan to resist the Taliban from the 90s until 2001, when they assassinated him. Some of the Afghan Army is regrouping there once they have ensured their families’ safety.
Do not judge people whose ‘choice’ is instant death for them AND their families, including their children.
You have no idea what you’re talking about… but there’s this amazing part of the internet full of information, accessible English-language versions of Asian newspapers telling people’s personal experiences & recounting history with far more detail than any US news source.
Try expanding your mind.
The U.S. and its allies need to learn from all of these attempted invasions of Afghanistan. We just don’t seem to “get” that other countries do not want our idea of democracy. They want their own autonomy, even if it isn’t what we judge as “correct”. We need to clean up our own house and let other countries determine what THEY want and not what WE want.
@Annapurna I guess I did use the word ‘should’ a bit much, just could not think of another word that would fit. I guess I can blame that on my stroke a couple years ago, they do have a tendency to scramble the brains a bit. It takes awhile to write a comment, to get all of the words spelled right, the punctuation correct and the meaning to make sense. I am doing better than I was a couple years ago.
Stay Safe, Stay Healthy, and do not work to hard.
When JJ gets nervous, he starts to “Meow” alot when he talks.
Jordan shows off his tapdancing skills when asked a direct question.
Jimbo is real good when he asking the questions, takes off his jacket, rolls up his shirt sleeves like he’s a actually going to do some real work; but he’s sure falling apart here? Way past time for grand juries and subpoenas