Rachel Maddow looks at what appears to be a deliberately poor job the Trump administration has done containing the coronavirus, the advocacy of Donald Trump's preferred Fox News doctor, and the blurted comments by Trump himself to conclude that the U.S. is pursuing a herd immunity strategy. Aired on 09/16/2020.
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Trump Adopts Herd Immunity Covid Strategy Pushed By Fox News Doctor | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
Donald Trump is killing this country
This country and the world. Never has one orange entity done this much damage.
@Andrew Whitfield Not even agent orange.
@Wiebe Stuive Agreed
New election strategy.
You can’t vote against him if you’re dead
My goodness, the incompetence is beyond ridiculous!
We’ve flattened the curve. 100% success.
I think they call this Wednesday in the U.S
Trump: ‘’A lot of ppl think masks are no good.’’
Stephanopolous: ‘’Who are these people?”
Trump: ‘’Waiters’’ 😂😂😂
@John Thomas I’m pretty sure that quote is not something I ever saw before, and not an actual sentence I would say but easy enough to play devil’s advocate. I still have a lot of friends who are bitter Green Party people who are very proud that they never voted for a Democrat, and some still say they never will. They cried when all those immigrants got thrown in cages and families were broken up. They wrung their hands over the Muslim ban. They squealed in horror as Climate Change rapidly accelerated likely past the point of no return. The hardcore Bernie people and hardcore Greens were far more quantitatively significant to getting us to this 4th year of a Trump Presidency than all the Russian Trolls and KKK members put together. Now, I would probably be more comfortable at an actual party with them, if we were not in the middle of a pandemic, but the actual number of people who voted for Trump because they believed in White Supremacy or wanted to establish a theocracy with a Death Penalty for buying or selling a morning after pill is smaller than those who had their minds poisoned by Trolls and Bots and stayed home on election day, which is smaller than those who out of Purity refused to vote for a Corporate Democrat and thus brought us 4 years of a Trump Administration. Some of them that I still speak to learned their lesson and are going to vote for Hil–errr–Biden this time, others still have not. If you voted for Clinton in 2016 then some of my best friends are bitter Greens like you, if not, some of my former best friends who I hardly talk to anymore have more in common with you. I don’t know how many have thrown in the towel and decided to support Biden. What annoys me most is that I disliked Hilary and Biden much more than they did, and always advocated voting 3rd party for years. I feel like I learned my lesson after 2000 when we supported Nader, Bush got in and….well, the rest is history, despite feeling like bad dark sci-fi comedy. Now we are here.
@John Thomas Now I am confused. It now sounds like you are a lower-case green party person who often (rather than never) reluctantly supports Democrats because they aren’t as horrible as Treasonous Traitor Trump. If you are not one of the people I spent ten years telling to fight Corporate Democrats thru-out the 90’s and then 20 years saying “Wait, f-it, the results coming out of this are too costly, just vote Democrat and complain frequently to no avail” then I misunderstood even more. The point was we recently found out about a huge number of semi-bots from Turning Point USA — I would not characterize them as a Green Organization — would you? They are not actual Russians tho they are on the same side and have adopted their own tactics. They tell people COVID is a hoax despite the fact that their own leader has died from it!! I will admit that unless you know someone for a very long time, it can be very difficult to distinguish someone who is a “Never-Liberal” deep green tree-hugger and a russian or home-grown troll impersonating them to get people to stay home again to ensure 4 more years of trump. Maybe if we took ten of each you would be able to identify which was which, but I doubt it, they say very similar things — some of which are true.
@jvsnyc Well at least you’re treating me like an actual person and not saying I’m part of a troll farm. That’s at least a start. Although saying things like ‘squealed in horror’ shows the level of contempt you have for my position. I haven’t given up hope for a third party. But I also understand that the msm and their newest tactic of calling people like me russians and trolls is a pretty insurmountable hurdle. You’re part of the problem. It’s possible to incorporate progressive beliefs into the democratic party which is what Bernie is trying to do by endorsing Biden. But it’s not possible to incorporate progressive ideals when people like you call us trolls and russians. I voted for Nader in 2000, though not in Florida which cost Gore the election. (and the supreme court decision to stop the vote count). And the hatred I received when I admitted that far exceeded the hatred liberals had towards W. Liberals hate nothing more than a progressive who votes their conscience. But as I said, at least now you’re not treating me like a secret undercover Trump russian robot troll at a troll farm. So at least there’s that
@John Thomas So we both voted for Gore-oops-correction-Nader-, and differ only in how much we regretted it later. I was also not in Florida but many people might have listened to me and supported him against Gore, who I found distasteful in many ways but his ardent support for criminalizing medical marijuana patients and caregivers pushed me over the edge. The “squealed in horror” thing I can’t walk back. I admit that Trump has been even more horrible than I guessed in my wildest dreams, but if he had been only half as bad it would have still been a disaster for the nation and the planet. Even if someone was going to say “OK. Here’s the deal. I will vote for Corporate Democrats half the time (and complain to and about them), the other half I will vote someone I actually like on Green Party when it won’t affect the election outcome” I am TOTALLY DOWN WITH — that’s fine. I am literally talking about people who voted 3rd party or stayed home in swing states that has caused this f’ing disaster. Keep in mind I found Hilary personally annoying and distasteful and kind of phony but having imagined a Trump Presidency would like be 10% as bad as it was, felt I literally had no choice but to support her. Are you one of the people who find TYT to be sold out to Corporate Democrats? I feel like I am in mostly the same boat as them.
@John Thomas Last thing. One of my friends will be voting for a Democrat for the first time in their entire lives (well, at least one who won, I know for a fact they never cast a single vote for a Democrat who won) seeing what a disaster Trump is, and figuring if the Lincoln Project and George F. Will and Colin Powell can vote for someone to prevent a monkey-on-pcp from having control of the nuclear football they can too. We’ve never stopped talking, tho I haven’t been able to avoid saying “Ugh–I told you so” at various of the worst moments of the Trump debacle. So even if you voted 3rd party in 2016, if we knew eachother we’d likely still be talking….ciao.
Trump on tape: ‘’This thing is a killer if it gets you. If you’re the wrong person you don’t have a chance’’.
Trump in public: ‘’It’s just like the FLU’’.
@Mox Avenger That is quite a list of lies you throw out, and I am sure that you can spew out lies faster than I or anyone else can correct them, so I will stop at only correcting your first couple of your lies:
> As of 9/16/2020 the USA ranks 3rd in the number of COVID-19 tests performed.
> on January 31 Trump introduced some travel restrictions from China. Note: He NEVER imposed a ban as he and his brain-dead enablers and acolytes have been saying for months now. In fact over 40,000 folks were able to travel to USA from China after the restrictions were introduced.
Try living in REALITY instead of that alternate reality created by Trump/Fox News!
TRUMP IS A KILLER
The scariest thing is yet to come…
196,000 AMERICAN DEATHS FROM COVID 19
EXPERTS PREDICT 410,000 DEAD AMERICANS FROM COVID 19 BY JANUARY 1, 2021
DOUBLING IN 4 MONTHS
Yet trump doesnt have a plan for covid 19
@Carol Look. I can absolutely, positively guarantee you that it will go away if we get to 320 million deaths. Probably, it will go away even before that. Your problem is that you dislike plans that include millions of preventable deaths. Someone’s personal plan to keep their self safe could be “Drink one gallon of vodka, one gallon of bleach, one gallon of gasoline, set self on fire while jumping off tall building.” Not a great plan, but hey, it is still a plan. I will agree neither that one or Trump’s seems great to me, but hey, I watch RVAT and Lincoln Project videos when I get too depressed, so what do I know.
CNN and MSNBC and other LEFTY LIB MSM are in FULL PANIC mode about COVID and CLIMATE CHANGE in order to PROPAGANDIZE and SCARE people into voting for the HARRIS Administration! ORANGE MAN BAD!! It won’t work! The American People are SMARTER than that! We know that COVID is not that deadly and HUMAN-caused-CLIMATE-CHANGE is a FARCE!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp-sXuHdeN4&t=2s ORANGE MAN VERY VERY GOOD!!
The world’s greatest democracy is being run by the dumbest guy in the world
The world’s most flawed democracy is being run by the dumbest guy in the world
*COVID Timeline:*
Jan 14th:) China announces that 59 Wuhan cases of COVID are scaled back to 41 cases. This is the first misinformation from China.
Jan 21st:) First US case of Cornavirus.
Jan 31st:) Trump bans travel from China. Biden calls China ban “hysterical xenophobia”. *(US had 6 cases)*
Feb 7th:) Woodward, Trump audio is recorded. Woodward holds onto this info till his book is released in Sept. *(US had 13 cases)*
Feb 25:) Pelosi talks in Chinatown in a very close crowd says “Come to Chinatown”. Deblasio has doctors say subway travel still safe. *(US had 53 cases)*
Feb 29:) Trump uses the word “hoax” for Coronavirus, but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself. See Factcheck: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/ *(1st confirmed COVID death & 70 cases at this time.)*
Feb 29:) CDC says risk is low, we need to go on with our normal lives. Dr. Fauci said: “You’ve gotta watch out, although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things to protect you from spread.”
March 9th:) Governor Cumo says: “This is not Ebola, this is not SARS, this is not some science fiction movie come to life. You know the hysteria here is way out of line with the actuality and the facts.” *(Date of Grand Princess cruise ship infections)*
March 12th:) Trump bans travel from Europe. Biden implies that Trump’s European travel ban is xenophobia and won’t stop the virus, says “he’ll lead with science.” *(WHO announces COVID-19 a global pandemic)*
March 12th:) Trump proposes economic stimulus action around coronavirus and asks congress to pass a relief payroll tax cut. *(US passes 1300 COVID cases & 38 associated deaths)*
Apr 23rd:) President Trump suggests using UV light on COVID, all news agencies call him irresponsible. This technology is now in place in many buildings.
Apr 23rd:) Trump is quoted saying “The disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. It gets in the lungs.” MSM spins this into a Trump says use bleach story.
September:) MSNBC, CNN do regular Woodward interviews about Trump not releasing all COVID info. Trump responds that he wanted to prevent public panic.
Actually by default that wouldn’t be democracy. And actually we don’t have a democracy we have a corporatocracy with factions of stupid people on all sides. Meanwhile all current forms of governance are stupid and pathetic compared to the many more logical and practical forms of system which have been arising that are much more humane and much more stable, the Venus project comes to mind.
A governance should be like a compassionate and caring parent. Not like an abusive and psychotic older brother.
A democracy by definition means that every person within the population has an equal say and vote in a matter. For someone reason people think we have that.
Racist. Being proud and smug makes you a nazi. You should Swing like now
@Mox Avenger Don’t forget the dems had a hug a Chinese day in Italy which ultimately right after that, deaths started popping up in Italy. Remember Italy was hit the hardest for a while because of this. Communist trash lie and blame Trump when it was them. Communists MUST be executed!
Don’t forget communist NYC leader who placed Covid patients in with elderly either. He has direct blood on his hands. Communists MUST be executed!
What trump is letting us know that he is not doing anything at all to prevent deaths.
I think he was right the first time, he has a turd mentality 🤣 💩💩
Heard immunity just means Fearless Leader doesn’t care how many of the heard die so he can do what he wants to do and ignore the deaths… So he is now saying that Americans can die from this till is stops killing us on it’s own… How’s that again? So, how many Republican’s and Democrats, you know the American public is it okay to let die? Fearless leader is not only a psychopath… he is also now a serial killer… who doesn’t seem to care one wit how many people die.
People actually voted for this guy.
DON CON AND HIS LIE SHOW LETS START BY HERD IMMUNITY WITH HIM HIS ADMINISTRATION AND HIS FOLLOWERS FIRST AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS DEAL DON CON
Lazy Donnie doesn’t want to do a thing.
❣💜💛
According to Johns Hopkins University: “Based on early estimates of this virus’s infectiousness, we will likely need at least 70% of the population to be immune to have herd protection.” Let’s do the maths. 70% of 350 million people is 245 million Americans, at a mortality rate of say 3% (COVID is likely more than that) that means some 7.35 million people would have to die in the USA, for the population of the US to develop herd immunity the “natural way”. In comparison, the 1918 pandemic killed an estimate of 50 million people worldwide before herd immunity kicked in. One can only imagine the impact on the economy, the economy that is so dear to Trump, of 7 million people dying in the next year. The “empathy president” is at it again. Does anybody still think he is taking this seriously?
“You’ll develop a heard mentality”
Yes the same heard mentality that plagues his base of sheep.
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He didn’t adopt herd immunity. He adopted “herd mentality.” He’s describing the mentality of his cultist herd who believe every lie he spews even if it kills them and/or their loved ones/friends and wipes out their jobs forcing them to lose their homes.
All caused by China and the democrats…
@Walt Schmidt👈leader of the herd
Did Trumpy say “turd” mentality? He should quit trying to play his accordion, – everyone knows he can’t ‘multi-task’!!
Macdonald Maurice Yep. He did. 🤦🏼♀️
https://youtu.be/5JqH0Y_jcT4
@Linda K A ‘freudian’ slip of the tongue, – or his expensive dentures don’t fit!!
Trump is deliberately killing people he has been heard saying that he downplays the virus. It seems to be criminal
IT IS criminal. We are hostages of a madman, this is not a movie.
Trump needs to put Americans before Israeli zionist nwo ties to Saudi zionists in the uae
The guy is a radiologist – he has zero infectious disease credentials.
Trump wants herd immunity for us and “hurt” immunity for himself– i.e., immunity from the law.
The only deadly herd danger in the US is the herd of trump voters
Heard Mentality is what his Base has… Remember: He has the Best Words.