‘I am sorry’: Toronto police chief on race-based data collection

People of colour were 20 to 60 per cent over-represented among those who faced violence when interacting with Toronto police in 2020, and Black residents were 230 per cent more likely to have a police officer point a firearm at them when they appeared to be unarmed than white people.

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41 comments

    1. @Nicnicnicolas89 you’re using circular reasoning. What is your definition of “diverse crowd”?

    2. @hoonaignachowaneha except there are stats that demonstrate that that 13% of the population is 50% likely to be innocent of the violent crime they are arrested for.

    3. @T Reezy Ok. I don’t know why you are replying to me on that. I am aware of that fact.

  1. “Hello police, I would like to report my car was stolen”. Police “what make and color?” Me, That’s racist. Police, “How can we find it if we don’t have the particular details 🤔?

  2. Is it possible that disparities have as much (or more) to do with ACTIONS perpetrated? Does the data perhaps show something even more uncomfortable than “systemic racism”. It would be nice to really dig into these numbers. It is disappointing that ALL disparity is taken as proof of discrimination and not a potential disparity in conduct within certain demographics. Perhaps if a group faces more negative interactions in general it is at least POSSIBLE that there is also a disproportionate amount of poor conduct within certain demos. One can not simply say (although I think maybe they just did) that because group x is more likely to have negative/more frequent interactions with law enforcement that they are being inappropriately targeted without examining whether certain behavior/conduct is also more prevalent within subsets of said demographic. I guess it’s just easier to say “racism” than ACTUALLY address difficult/uncomfortable issues. Sure there is some racism but it is almost certainly more complex than that. If it is just as simple as racism an apology is obviously not enough.

    1. If you want to ‘solve racism’ then you need the offenders to resolve things with each other as well, not simply having the law enforcement apologize and say they won’t do it anymore, because all that does is empower the other factions that were victimized.

      Once you have a taste of empowerment, you don’t want to lose your hold on it, you want more, you get greedy, and you will do whatever it takes to keep or get more… Even if it means committing more crimes and using your status as a way to get away with it.

      A robber who breaks into homes and gets away scot free all the time won’t be discouraged to stop doing what he is doing, once he’s wealthy enough… No he will want more.

    2. @dra6o0n it works both ways from police brutality to racial profiling to the blue wall of silence… you guys may want to re-evaluate your (flawed) theories

    3. “Correlation? This is clearly racial causation!”

      Tell everyone you’re racist without telling everyone you’re racist.

    4. @B F unfortunately when violence in the city involves a higher percentage in a certain demographic….you will naturally get stats like these.

  3. I’m curious what the data is? Do the police really keep stats on how many times they decided to just give certain communities a hard time?

  4. “ disproportionately over policed.” WTF is that? Perhaps stop committing crimes and they wouldn’t be “ over policed.”

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