First Amendment and Constitutional lawyer Floyd Abrams explains why he believes Fox News will have 'major problems' exercising first amendment protections in its defense against a $1.6B lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.
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I hope Dominion doesn’t settle. I hope they get every penny of that $1.6 Billion!đ
@Lonewolf 1970 Yes. Paper + digital back-up is the best combination.
@eponymousIme The way I see it is they use the digital to compile the vote numbers to make it faster to count and the paper as a backup if there are questions.
And more!
I think 1.6 billion isnât nearly enough.
I hope so too!
Speech is free but you’ve got to pay for your lies.
@Brian Johnston Like you, I believe everyone who has been found to have been knowingly telling falsehoods of such importance should be held accountable for those lies and the damage they caused; regardless of political party, sex, gender, race, age, religion, income, etc. We should hold each other to higher standards, especially those elected to represent us. We should expect better.đ
@Jonathan Bartlett You’re absolutely right!đ
@Jetmir MetaliajNo, it’s not “fake news”. People sue each other all the time for defamation; hence, “speech is free but you have to pay for your lies”. As for the lies Fox news has been insulting their viewers with, they’ve admitted under oath that they were lying about the 2020 election the whole time. They knew it was not “stolen” or “rigged”, and that Dominion didn’t “fip votes”. Don’t take my word for it, just read Rupert Murdoch’s deposition transcript… ‘New court documents show that Rupert Murdoch and his top lieutenants at Fox News were aware that former President Trump’s claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election were false, but agreed to give them continued coverage in an effort to keep unhappy viewers from fleeing.’
By no means am I suggesting Fox is the only news outlet lying to its viewers, it’s just the one we’re talking about right now because they’re being sued. Unfortunately, all news outlets tell varying amounts of lies and misinformation to their viewers. I can deal with bias, but the lies they tell are a damn shame.
@Suzy Q you are welcome âŁď¸ stay safe and warm and vigilant
Fox needs to apologize to their viewers for exploiting them
I think there should be a class action suit filed against Fox.
@AT 1984 doesnât mean I agree, but I can certainly respect that opinion. If thatâs how it is perceived itâs other stations responsibility to make sure to change that perception.
@Blake The great one If nothing else, I would trust either Biden or Clinton (because we’ve seen it) to accept the result of an election. Trump…… not so much. That might seem like one thing, but that one thing has had serious repercussions for the country.
@Marvellous132 not really. It was blown vastly out of proportion by the media.
@Mr Rey đ˛
No wonder Fox news is playing nice as they actually side with regulations on the train industry. That’s a first.
FOX is playing nice because they have no choice, but too little, too late. Take FOX, the shareholders, sponsors and GOP co-conspirators down with them.
They only sided with what happened in Ohio so they could keep blaming “Biden” for everything and anything, even though part of the problem was trump cutting off those safety measures!
Thats called damage control.
Oh yeah, saw that! Suck job now!
It’s a couple of years late and untold millions, (in damages) short. đż
I hope that they bankrupt fox news !!!!!!!!!!
@Robert DillonRemember the Trump org wants to expand with a news organization. đ¤Ž
Totally bankrupt Fox, then go after the liars, every last one of them! They should be banned from ever posing as journalists, reporters or comedians again. Imagine what would happen if Kimmel, Colbert, Fallon, or any other genuine TV entertainer/personality lied to the public like the maggots at Fox have been doing for dump!
@Jeff Breneman What is wrong?
That won’t happen silly girl!
@Ann Smith In 1981, Murdoch bought The Times, his first British broadsheet, and, in 1985, became a naturalized US citizen, giving up his Australian citizenship, to satisfy the legal requirement for US television network ownership.
Fox is just proving why George Santos is the perfect poster-child for the Republican party.
@AbbersJ I truly believe you believe that. Like you believe the Democratic party is a good party in Joe Biden is a good president
@Bill Hubbard No doubt, you would rather your man’s boss be in charge, put1n.
@Bill Hubbard PS.
Everybody knows Biden is cleverer than the orange blob, after all, he managed to rig the election and steal all those votes! LOL!!
@AbbersJ I’ll give you that. He did but over 40 years in public office and the only thing successful he is done is stealing a election become rich an blabber on TV. But I guess we’ll get to see what kind of dumb crap Democrats will try to pull off this election year last time it was racism that they are the main perpetrators of we can’t wait to see what’s next to specially since America is now actually awake. When Democrats lose office America will start healing
@AbbersJ Biden made millions of dollars in Russia, so did his crazy son Hunter who received millions of dollars from the wife of the Moscow Mayor.
I didn’t mention anything about any business deals rather how Trump warned the country and the world about a strong Russia & China relationship and China supplying weapons to the Russians.
Trump turned out to be correct, but it pains you to admit it. Biden is clueless when it comes to foreign affairs.
I am so glad that Dominion has good lawyers working for them. The have one hell of a good investigating team there.
@LordZontar you are right about that. Letâs hope the jury does the right thing.
@LordZontar Yep, all they have to do is play the clips and post the communications behind the scenes.
Even in my home town, they’ve defended Dominion as being upstanding. But a few of the Republicans who lost their elections here are being tRump’s & fLake’s about it.
@S H The emails came from the Discovery Process. They had to turn them over or they would have been in even more hot water than they already are. Nothing legally earth shattering there.
@Denise Means I see. Itâs all good either way. Thanks for sharing.
The Supreme Court should order, Hannity, Tucker, Maria, and Ingraham, to issue a live primetime statement to the American people that they lied about Trump’s election lie.
SCOTUS is corrupt so I don’t think that will happen.
@Nancy Griffin The point is the CNN hosts lied about a teenager. I’m sure they have children who are about his age.
They are willing to lie about a teenager, so what makes you think they will tell you the truth about Trump, a person they despise.
â@AT 1984 They did not lie about Sandman. What lie did they tell? NBC and Washington Post were also sued. Sandman sued for ’emotional distress’ after he was filmed with the Indian and the video went viral.
CNN settled out of court to avoid a lengthy trial. Companies often settle just to make a suit go away. Doesn’t mean that they could not have won. It’s just cheaper to do it this way.
You still haven’t given me any lies they told. One isn’t enough and it wasn’t a lie.
@Nancy Griffin Yes they did. CNN lied whether you like it or not.
I don’t watch TV, but I would watch that! đđ¤
Lol. The problem is that the public is not being protected from enemies of our nation pretending to be journalists.
They’re pundits. Pundits! They’re not journalists, but pundits! As a faraway foreign news editor, it’s maddening beyond words to see people constantly refer to Hannity and Tucker et al as ‘journalists’, when they themselves say they’re not whenever a court case comes along.
Domestic terrorists are operating publicly without impunity.
The problem is that the public is often incapable of looking beyond the comfortable bubble they like to be in. Hence, the consumption of information is not about being more knowledgeable or informed, but about having one’s own biases confirmed.
Precisely. The way to destroy America is from within, through disinformation. Putin knows it, China knows it. The war is real, and so are the propaganda efforts.
@Lisandro Esterga I would say they are also in Congress.
First Amendment and deliberately misleading people are two different things. There is plenty of case law about this. If they were talking among themselves and didn’t mention Dominion or voter fraud, then the lawsuit wouldn’t exist.
Exactly. Speech is free but you have to pay for your lies.
@dev, there’s a record of phone calls and texts, in other words you’ve missed the point. Listen to the video this time.
BUT , TOTALLY HIDING LAPTOP CONTENTS – UNTIL AFTER THE SOOOO CALLED ELECTION !! IT’S ALL GOOD ! – FOR THEM ALL ! .
The first amendment in layman’s terms just means the government can’t punish you for criticizing them. Deliberate lies that damage the reputation of a person or business can open you up to civil liability.
Journalists should be accredited and held to ethical standards, their accreditation could be removed by a panel (like lawyers). Tucker would already have lost his accreditation because heâs claimed in court that no one in their right mind believes him.
All on air personality are signed to a entertainment contract not journalism contract.
What !! He saying trump followers are dump for believing the lies they were telling behind trump
@phebelle04 really? Maybe you should ask some of the lawyers whoâve been punished or lose their license.
That will never happen look at cnn.
@oleary531 oh Whataboutisim, I thought youâd done gone and growed up. Must be in middle school by now. 8th grade? Not to worry, youâll hit your peak in college. Probably graduate school. Maybe a PhD? But wherever life leads you, you Whaboutisim will not be missed.
A law needs to be enacted that blatantly lying about an election result and litigating against that result is a crime punishable by heavy prison time.
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CNN would go to jail
â@Mary Walters there are laws against lying. It just depends on whom you lie to.
Agreed put the real president TRUMP in.
Put the real Donald Trump in…….prison.
For most criminals the phrase is “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.”
For Fox “News” the phrase is “Don’t say the line if you can’t pay the fine.”
@Denise Means well, nobody watches them so…
@Blake The great one You’re watching them right now. LOL. If no one watched them, they would be off the air. Duh.
@Simon Multiverse Thanks!đđ
@Roger McMillan Give it time. Rupert Murdoch is in BIG doo-doo regarding his fiduciary duties to the corporation for allowing FOX to do this. Also, wait until we see if there is the ability to charge the FOX “personalities” as co-conspirators in the Sedition and attempted coup. And then, there’s always the “wild card” possibility that someone who lost everything because they believed FOX lies, might decide to go “lone wolf vigilante.” There’s still a lot of play left in this game.
Is this why cnn ratings are botched?
I hope they don’t settle out of court and fox news should publicly admit what they’re saying is a lie
Dominion will not settle. They want everything brought out into the public record.
Freedom of the press is not freedom to report what they know to be untruthful. To report what they believe is the truth is not what they did. They knew they were lies, that’s their problem.
@Robert OHara The States used to have such a system, but the criminal element of corporate power and corrupt officials supporting them is now the way the States operate! The States is now a pariah among nations for their inaction in allowing corporate governance to continue and prosper without consequence. And the rich get richer and more powerful and more criminally ouvert to maintain control and dominance!
@tom sinter You’re right! How do you dismantle a system where the corporate elite and their political allies have power, unbelievable wealth and complete dominance over their entire Nation! There where the problem lies, if you can’t relieve the Federal reserve from political power in government and their corporate affiliates then the States will lose their democratic rights for their citizens who are the tax base and Fascism will take it’s place and everyone who works will be a slave to the system!
@Marvellous132 An absolute disgrace is what it already is and continues to be!
@Marvellous132 I absolutely agree. They should be called Fox Opinion Hour.
You have the right to free speech, as long as you’re not dumb enough to actually _try_ it. The Analects of Joe Strummer.
The irony of it all is Fox was never more vulnerable from their viewers then when they actually told them the Truth. Let that sink in.
THIS!
@Alan Hart Because people are stupid.
Nicole,
Did they ever tell the truth about anything? Never a fan so I can’t say, though I do have huge doubts.
@Chris Albert
Its a case of tell me the caliber of your viewers without showing me their caliber by forcing daily lies down their throats.
@Bob no truer words were spoken.
More than anything the entirety of Fox is saying, “our viewers are total idiots.”
FOX FAKE NEWS! UNFAIR AND INBALANCED AND FULL OF SHT
I think the whole point of the MAGA movement is for wealthy people to take money and votes from dim witted, gullible, MAGA cult members.
I sometimes wonder if at some point Trump thought to himself, “I want to be President and make a good return from it. Who are the most stupid, gullible Americans who will believe my lies and join a cult I start. Hmmmm, I think the poorly educated, white, Christian extremist, xenophobic, racist, misogynistic religious fanatics will fit the bill nicely”.
NO that would be the cnn idiots.
Only when itâs convenient they claim itâs commentary and not necessarily actual facts. However they have âNewsâ in their name and never place any disclaimerâs stating itâs commentary and based on opinions of guests and itâs hosts.
The same crap was pushed down to all the local networks where announcers had to read on air a statement or else they would be fired. Obviously this e free reinforcement the viewpoints, conspiracy theories etc. to individuals that watchable but also expanded the narrative to citizens who only watched local news.
The continual rhetoric, anger continually incited their followers over false information, taking of rights, immigration, voter fraud etc.
They knew what they were doing and where it would ultimately lead. However I believe they arrogantly believed they could control the political discourse, anger, violence etc. leading to the January 6th Capital Attack.
Yes, but they buy tons of merchandise from our sponsors.
Not only should they stomp fox in the ground,they should also make them publicly apologize for lying!!!
PAY UP
â@Robert OHara only what ratPutin wants to hear like this, trollski
@bmon40 Well said.
@Anth C And i suppose you support lemon garbage?
@oleary531 hey fool, where do you see me saying that I support â lemon garbageâ???
At least CNN sidelined him for saying something dumb; which is WAY MORE than Murdoch did, when his propagandists were knowingly spreading lies!!!!!
Lying about matters pertaining to elections should be treated as criminal matters, and charged under fraud statutes. The media, campaign personnel, political candidates, and public officials at all levels of government should be held to this legal standard.
If that were the case obumbiden would not be at the helm.
You mean like the lies they made against Trump saying he was in collusion with Russia you mean all those lies why werenât you screaming than?
Wow you a far left liberal who hates his nation please leave since you have no real American values
OMG this attorney just said I donât want to dodge the question. That is amazing for him to be straight up honest like that itâs so refreshing to hear.
He then proceeded to dodge the question.
Attorney’s do not provide all BS