CNN's Fareed Zakaria looks at the effects of Covid-19 across the globe and examines the need for extensive testing.
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Fareed Zakaria: The true fatality rate of Covid-19 is still unclear
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The criminal regime is suppressing the numbers?! Anyone surprised?
@Katrina Oh hi stupid, lets test that… debate me. Real policy issues, none of your idiotic one liners from your Pussyhat Man Hater Operations Manual. So lets go you mindless tampon licking zombie, tell us all why you’re so damned butthurt? I’ve got green money that says you don’t even know.
Look at Chinese and Japan’s. It’s ridiculous.
@Whistleblower No… but from my family members who are doctors and nurses who work in NYC, they are saying that if you die of something and you have covid-19, they say you ONLY died of covid-19… even if you died from a car accident.
@Shadesmar99 Oh hi stupid, its not respiratory failure, its “death due to Covid 19 complications” regardless of the cause of death you wanker.
@Carlos Marques Oh hi stupid, my screen name is a tribute to Obuttfuck’s place of birth. Not surprised you’re too dumb to figure that out.
It is better to over prepare.
AT A PRICE
@Jock Young Don’t be so sure of this. At the very least it’s an easy matter to take anonymous data and connect the dots to your work, your home etc. Would have to be incredibly carefully done and protected.
Totally agree.
It is better to make an educated decision.
Take care of yourself, stay indoors without the need to prevent coronavirus infection
Van, you’re being stupid on purpose. I break the nonsense ‘rules’ everyday and will continue doing it.
I MUST go to work to make money, cannot stay inside.
Mr. Zakaria continues to deliver very high-quality reporting as predictably as the far Right delivers hateful, ignorant and unproductive comments. Thank you, Mr. Zakaria for your excellent work.
Jeff V Unfortunately, partisanship will remain for the cult.
I see the Ttump phenomenon as a virus itself. Facts are the vaccine and 40% of Americans are antivaxxers.
When Ttump is gone, history will look back with 2020 hindsight, the facts lined up and without the spins, to marvel at the mass hypnosis the same way we look at the People’s Temple phenomenon.
@Jeff V “especially if the testing rolls out quickly”. Oh yeah, that’s totally going to happen. Pence and Jared are on it!
@DavidCAdams I have zero confidence in JDT, Pence and friends……however, there’s massive scientific and public pressure on the Administration to act responsibly and those forces are slowly causing better action by the WH. Many lives would have been saved if DJT would have taken appropriate measures in a prompt fashion, but now that they’ve been pushed into action, I’m thinking the testing may be accelerated. Let’s hope.
@Jeff V If Trump hadn’t screwed the pooch and ignored the obvious. The death toll would be a fraction of what it is, and we would all be back at work now. He has blood of innocent Americans on his hands
@Hoogly Bart Agreed. We had the worst possible person in the WH at a time when we really needed quality crisis management.
I believe it was Fauci who said, if we do it right it will look like we didnt need to do it.
@Grow My Presence
That number is wrong. Significant percentage of that number are people with underlying life threatening conditions already. So without the coronavirus even existing these people were facing death repeat. Just because you pass with the coronavirus does it mean you passed because of it. comprende? In fact in New York they say the regular death rate of other illnesses is way way way down. Why is that? Because they counting those deaths has Corona caused deaths, incorrectly. Why are they doing that? Why are they lying to us. This is ridiculous. More people have died from the regular flu already.
@Noel Bartley ☝🙄
98% of those dying with covid19 are people with life threatening underlying conditions already. Like I said the death rate from other illnesses in New York City for instance is way way way down. But not really. Why? Because they’re counting many of those deaths as being caused by covid-19, incorrectly.
@The Spirit Winds you are correct thenumber is wrong but by your definition AIDS kills no one. The reality is the number is likely much higher not lower.
You don’t say it’s not Covid-19 that killed someone because they also were diabetic … Well they had 5 more years but they died now because their diabetes. Sorry I 100% disagree with you. I am sorry but I’m not buying the stupid propaganda that says we’ll they had a weakened immune system because they had a bad heart or this or that, the fact is they wouldn’t have died this bout around if not for Covid-19. It’s a false point.
Jock Young both of you are wrong. Ft Detrick bioweapons lab containment breaches 08/2019 and 11/2019. Only Americans whine innocent while genocidal maniacs devour your planet. You sat and blamed the world while Nazis murdered. And wow all the wars since then. Your wars will never end. They’ve destroyed civilizations and planets before. About three and you still can’t figure out how not to hate.
Dylan Murphy So why are countries all around the world losing thousands of lives, much more than flu or pneumonia.which there are vaccines for, can’t you understand there is NO VACCINE NO CURE! It’s highly contagious, it infects ten times more people than the flu. Why in God’s name don’t you believe it.
The number of reported deaths is only a fraction of the actual deaths countries around the world are under reporting how bad it is
The US is worse than China & Iran on reporting the actual numbers. That’s why Donny is delaying mass testing.
paul hoskin they are over reporting, Democrats need a crisis. They are over reporting it’s just the flu.
Covert 19 is nothing more than a scamdemic. Wake up sheeple! Don’t trust the govt. and don’t trust mainstream media. Your well being is not part of their agenda!
@KKK MO The virus is not that bad that it’s worth destroying the economy.
@KKK MO If only Fred Trump had experienced a PREMATURE EJACULATION we wouldn’t be in such a sticky situation now…wishful thinking, I know.
“Don Williams” A putinTroll. Far too many Americans believe that when their posts are attacked. That is from an American. Fact is, 99.9 percent of attacks are still from the Internet Research Agency “IRA.” Thanks to the fact that donal Drumpf is a russian lackey.
@Eli Dicken The greatest majority remain russian. Period. Only the putinTrolls like to claim trolling is by others. It is yet another tell.
@Eli Dicken The American names, the jingo singing. So many tells. Then I have been writing about them for a bit over 5 years now. No one in the U.S. believed me for years.
Stev Rex stay on it and spread it wherever you go…our govt is doing next to nothing to stop it at the moment and we both know exactly why.
👌🇺🇸
@Eli Dicken what do they do exactly. What do you determine when you talk to them.
Maybe you’re a paid troll. The thing to take away from this is that you shouldn’t believe anything you read in youtube comment sections as a fact. Like this comment.
How many people have died at home and not been included in the number of victims?
@I. M. Ummm….millions change carriers every month so….🙄
Our president told companies that they did not need to report their numbers to the DOH. He doesn’t want people to know how wrong he was/is.
@I. M. Oh what??!!! Thats mental. Worse than i could have imagined 😱
@Patricia Manzi Then by all means LET THEM PROVE IT AND SHOW THE BODIES BY THE HUNDREDS!
Nursing home death’s are also NOT COUNTED!
“Its just a flu” is the.most annoying statement of 2020
@Bandi Saleh you do realize you’re saying the flu for 6 and 12 months. The first covid death in the US was 29 Feb. 2020, it’s killed over 22k in less than 2 months. There is no comparison of the flu. Covid is 10× more deadly.
Lots of people are saying that the numbers are not matching up against what the media is saying. STAYING IN YOUR HOUSE WITH NO MONEY AND STARVING TO DEATH IS CALLED COMMUNISM
Lots of people are saying that the numbers are not matching up against what the media is saying. STAYING IN YOUR HOUSE WITH NO MONEY AND STARVING TO DEATH IS CALLED COMMUNISM
It’s actually a SARS virus
“It’s on the wind” like the movie “The Happening” is the most annoying statement of 2020
The Covfefe model, which is based on effort to return the economy to normal during this outbreak, projects a 35 millions U.S. death toll.
Since only morons and republicans would be the ones willing to return to normalcy, then the Republican base will be disproportionately present in the Covfefe model death statistic.
Doug H EXACTLY!
Doug H Ttump himself is the reason he will lose.
His years of lies are catching up, the lies he is telling right now are affecting a lot of people.
Eventually, every person catches on.
Nobody believes he “has a thing for this” because his uncle taught for 2 years at MIT.
DanSk451 His re-election is going to be a complete shock to you and your fellow TDS victims. It’s MUCH deadlier than Covid-19, as you’ll find out.
What’s your point most Democrats don’t work anyway. Most are just sucking off the government or either in the government.
Janice Smith You are correct that his re-election would be disastrous for 89% of America.
No matter what “party” game you play.
Fareed Zakaria seems to be badly misrepresenting Dr. John Ioannidis conclusions about the real IFR (Infection fatality rate) of COVID-19. It’s true that the IFR is much smaller than the CFR (case fatality rate) because of the large number of unrecorded infections (due to lack of testing). Ioannidis, however, concludes that the true IFR for COVID-19 likely is somewhere between 0.5% and 1%. That seems consistent with the mainstream opinion of professional epidemiologists that I have seen quoted in the Wikipedia COVID-19 article in recent weeks. It is not, however, at all comparable to the seasonal flu (0.1%). It is 5 to 10 times higher! This new virus also is much more infectious, and hence much more liable to spread to a large segment of the population absent severe measures of social distancing, as compared with the seasonal flu for which herd immunity and vaccination already protects many people.
@William Magann First, COVID-19 is much, much more contagious thant he flu and both the rate of hospitalization and the ratio of hospitalized patients that die with this are a hell of a lot higher than with the flu. You don’t need the definite total number to figure out that the people that end up in the hospitals with this die more often than the ones who walk in with the flu. Second, this has officially killed 22k people *in a single month* in the US. Again, even without knowing the definitive fatality rate, it’s obvious that this cause more harm, kills more people, spreads more quickly, and overwhelms the healthcare system more than the flu. The flu is always present and it does not blow up like this and as quickly as this. Also, when they have the flu, the vast majority of people – and we’re talking much more that the 80% with _mild symptoms_ of COVID-19 – only have tough symptoms for 2 to 3 days. You might feel sick for a week, but you don’t feel like you’re dying the whole week. COVID-19 takes a big percentage of healthy people on a 10-15 days ride of crippling fever, sleepless nights of rigor and hallucinations. And most of the people that end up in the hospital have gone through that 10-15 days already. This thing starts progressively until it’s unbearable and it drags on and on. The only thing this has in common with the flu is that it is a respiratory disease and you can prevent it by taking the same basic measures that nobody care about because 99.9% of people have nothing to fear from the flu. When has the flu ever killed tens of people in the same retirement home _in the same week_ in multiple homes in one month?
Zakaria literally said it’s 10 times more deadly then the flu though
@Charles Antonio Zakaria quoted Fauci’s estimate of 1% for the infection fatality rate, which would be 10 times the IFR typical for the seasonal flu. He then immediately proceeded to dismiss it and mentions Ioannidis who claimed that the IFR has been “massively overestimated” by mainstream researchers. Unfortunately, Zakaria promotes Ioannidis heterodox (and deeply flawed) arguments without subjecting them to any skepticism or criticism.
The mortality rate is extremely dependent on the location. Italy vs NY vs GERMANY vs ARIZONA so many different variables at this point most areas of the United States have around 0.0043 percent. Do the math lol wait no math to do because the testing was a complete failure at this point conjecture and sensationalism is what it appears.
William Magann i’m 55 years old and I have never heard of a hospital being overwhelmed by patients requiring ventilation because of the flu. In fact, I have never heard of hospitals being overwhelmed even with nonventilated patients. What happen in China and in Italy and New York City – – have you ever heard of that happening with the flu?
The point of this is no one knows and we won’t know for some time. We’re not flying blind, we’re flying in the clouds on instruments that aren’t terribly accurate doing the best we can with the data we have today.
We just need to be careful.
This virus can sneak up on a society.
NYC is the Coronavirus breeding ground !! We MUST LOCK NYC
” DOWN” !!.. They are just walking breeding INFECTED !! They will INFECT ALL OF AMERICA. !! WE MUST surround NYC with armed Police and Militia, Stop ANY of them from infecting American people.
@hpensive don’t care about everyone else. I don’t want to catch a deadly diseases . Period
@Mark Jones Chances are you could be carrying it right now asymptomatically, like most Americans and it’s not deadly. A certain percentage of people are predisposed to having a case in need of hospitilization and those people are in a percentage of dying.
LOL, mmk
Just like Jesus will come like a thief in the night, which one our you more worried about??
“one day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear”. I keep saying that about trump but he’s still here spewing his vile deadly thoughts.
Betty Blowjob interesting name 🤔😂
@S D Sorry. Anyone who supports this president doesn’t get to lecture anyone else on humanity.
@DavidCAdams haa haa liberals don’t like to give others liberty except themselves. Hypocrites.
@Havanorange It’s the name of a Punk Band. Don’t get excited.
Because it will, viruses don’t last a long time.
Everybody a gangsta till “Dead People” start opening their caskets
WORD 😄😄😄
GANGSTA BE GON 🏃🏃🏃
This virus is going to keep side stepping experts mainly because they are too quick to put assumptions into models. More people were infected than we thought but Its probably not more than triple in some areas but here is real dilemma people who are counted as asymptomatic can remain so for 2-3 weeks before deteriorating and no study has really had the time to factor that lag in and it is premature to extrapolate asymptomatic statuses to entire populations based on limited data because the virus distribution isn’t uniform in the slightest as it hasn’t had long enough and we acted promptly to confine it to pockets.
Every expert I saw back in January said testing was the most important thing we had to do. No Testing = No Data. Without data, it’s all presumptions, theories, and guessing, regardless how “educated” you are.
and without testing, you can’t charge for a medical procedure.
The government needs to action Amendment 25 right now!
m n Yes !
It will be interesting to Compare the total burials this year compared to 2019. The difference will be in rough estimates the true Corona effect.
Not neccesarily. People that died from corona could have died later that year due to other health conditions.
@Dominic Gunderson Actually, you count the dead for the year and you compare with an average for previous years. The difference should give you a pretty good estimate of the coronavirus impact on the death rate.
@Dominic Gunderson You also need to consider the fact that less people died due to less traffic and less air pollution. The chance that a “People that died from corona could have died later that year due to other health conditions.” will be very low. It can be estimated by “ Chance People that died from corona” times “Chance that people died later that year due to other health conditions”. Both are very low actually.
Not much of a difference between the two. I guess.
Testing, testing, testing!
It will be the foundation of everything rational decision we make moving forward.
And BTW…projections and models aside, from my vantage point in the New York metropolitan area I see social distancing as first and foremost about preserving the existing healthcare infrastructure (people, meds, equipment, beds) which is currently stretched to the brink.
Notice the lack of thumbs up for your rational comment.
Seems people like to make emotional and fear-based decisions instead .