Mark Denbeaux, attorney for Abu Zubaydah, talks with Rachel Maddow about the failures of the U.S. torture program designed specifically for Zubaydah and the lack of accountability for how so many false conclusions were drawn. Aired on 12/05/19.
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Failures Of Torture Program Unexplained, Abu Zubaydah Still Uncharged | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
“Excellent reporter” at the New York Times? 😂 Just play MSNBC on loop that’ll drive anyone as nuts as madcow.
Using torture makes us the bad guys.
Make Racists Afraid Again Unfortunately, we have been a “bad guy” for a *long* time.
“How can we come up with facts proven to be false”….this double speak is why people are so confused, and wont believe the truth.
Torture is wrong, ask the thousands thee the church did torture with the help of the inquisition?!
Smeyers Charles Paul … the torture era was one of America’s darker times.
We should hang our heads in shame.
Trump does not understand that torture is an atrocity.
Trump will be indicted (impeached) in less than four short months. Abu Zubaydah has spent 17 years in captivity with no indictment in sight. Who is lacking due process here?
Making up “facts” that have been proven untrue is Trump’s specialty. He even has his own personal lawyer doing that right now in Ukraine.
I don’t know if The President actually makes up the alternative facts [sic]. It requires the ability to think. He just repeats the crap that Sean makes up
Denbeaux is wrong when he says Zubaydah “was never al Qaeda.” He was, his diaries, computers & computer discs, cell phones and other prisoners confirmed that.
What he was NOT was the guy in charge of terrorist attacks the Bush administration claimed he was. Pressure to verify claims of Bush, Cheney & Rice went down the chain of command.
They needed to torture a confession that Zubaydah was a top operations guy.
In fact, Zubaydah was a logistics guy who maintained safe houses and arranged plane tickets for recruits going to Afghanistan.
Zubaydah was more involved in operations years before, but after a head injury he became nuts! nuts! nuts! His diary was written by him using 3 different personalities.
The only actionable intelligence gotten from Zubaydah, concerning KSM and Jose Padilla, came before he was tortured.
Despite a lot of research on the topic, I have yet to find any evidence that anyone in the Bush administration ever consulted with anyone with expertise in interrogation. Professional career intelligence, military and law enforcement interrogators who have graduated from interrogator school – those are the experts on the subject matter.
Because we did not consult the large number of experts we have, we chose the least effective interrogation techniques there are. It is as if they looked at the history of interrogation and selected the least effective methods there are.
If they bought fighter planes the same way they set up interrogation programs, the planning would have gone like this:
“Ok, let’s buy us a slow plane that can’t get away from the enemy, and make sure it is not very maneuverable, either. Let’s equip our new fighter with radar and missiles that don’t work. Let’s turn the seat around in the thing so the pilot can’t see where he’s going. Instead of oxygen, let’s have his oxygen mask squirt hot coffee out.
Let’s also save weight by giving the pilot an umbrella instead of a parachute to use if he has to bail out.”
America has a short memory. When the wounds of 9/11 were still fresh and the Bush Administration was about to go after Al Qaeda I remember Donald Rumsfeld (Brennan?) asking the American people if they were willing to accept unconventional and extreme interrogation methods… The answer was an overwhelming ‘yes’. Easy to be civilized in peacetime, no so easy when your enemies are flying planes into buildings and chopping off heads…
It’s very sad. Fox and their dimwitted clientele would look at his name and decide he’s obviously guilty.
But how we didn’t find his little piggy on the market?
Please make longer clips, 2-3 minutes is way too short and this clip barely had any context in it to understand what was going on.
I agree, they’re so busy trying to get people to watch the whole show on tv, that the super short clips on YouTube make no sense!
Hi Rachel Anne.👋🍻.
Exceptional reporting, Rachel.👍🍻👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏.
Keep on digging, Rachel.👍.
👉👉Proceed democrats, proceed.👍.
If he wasn’t an extremist, he is now. Sure way to make someone hate you- bomb their families, lock up survivors, and torture them for months and years. Winning hearts and minds… America is morally bankrupt. We’ve chosen corporate interests over being good neighbors and good people. We are “cheap.” Whatever drives the bottom line. It’s in our politics, schools, products, healthcare, judicial system, law enforcement, military, diplomacy, environmental awareness and activism etc… let’s be the change we want to see. Vote everyone out of office! Local and national elections.
Ask L’il Georgie Bush.
SHAMEFUL!!!
Science teaches us that you can’t discriminate without a control, and the control needs to be as close to the real thing as humanly possible—at least at the _outset_ of an experiment where you peel away humanity like an onion, one thin, deliberate layer after another, all captured on film. Now you have your formal baseline for the next guy, the one where you really _don’t_ already know the answer, going in. If torture has any viable upside at all—extremely controversial—you can’t make an omelette without breaking both white and black eggs.
Don’t tell me they were trying to squeeze out some vital operational detail this man might have initially withheld. He was waterboarded 83 times. You’d have trouble finding a gambling addict in Vegas—one who has already gambled away his house and home, his family, and his career—who could have once said “83rd time lucky!” with bright conviction, rather than the cloudy visage of a doomed man. Self-peeling onion. Once you get going, it’s so hard to stop. Even if your cherished slot machine—the ugly bag of mostly water—hasn’t coughed up a nickel of viable intelligence at any point in the last 60 chugs.
Another possibility is that the American intelligence services tore a page out of medical school internship programs—see one, do one, teach one—and managed to get 81 new operatives qualified on a single waking cadaver, earning themselves a year-end gold star in the process on some internal, bureaucratic efficiency drive.
These are serious initiatives. Conserving the most paperclips over the course of a fiscal year is not about the paperclips, it’s about demonstrating attention to detail and enthusiastic team spirit, irrespective of artifice or actuality.
America leading the world for freedom, to torture.
Torture can make anybody say he killed kenedy, lincon, and even jesus christ, just to end the punishment.
Is that the same administration Nicole Wallace work for ?
Republicans work with “Alternative Facts.”