Chris Hayes explores the political similarities between Brexit and Donald Trump's election.
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Chris Hayes On What To Do When Democracies Make Mistakes | All In | MSNBC
Pence and Johnson both wearing the same dress.
chris hayes wearing one is more likely, hahhahahahhahahhhahahahhaahhhhhheeehehehhe.
2 governments not all that different at this time. no the future is at this time
“democracy” Lost the vote, multiple criminal conspiracies both foreign and domestic. “won” should always be followed with an asterisk for honest people.
Chamberlain made a huge mistake trusting Hitler that Hitler would stick to any “Peace Agreement” & was forever known as an appeaser & fool. The Allies made a bigger mistake in not smashing & destroying Hitler while they still had a chance. SpankyPants must be destroyed & smashed before he ruins America & causes a War with Iran or heaven forbid a 3rd World War that goes nuclear. Spanky is that volatile & dangerous. I predict a “War” between Iran & Israel at America’s behest or a War between Iran vs Israel & America just before the 2020 election. This will be to distract us & rev up fanatical nationalism from his failed policies.
Real talk. But he GOP doesn’t care.
life is actually pretty good in the UK right now. The economy is doing fine. People are not rioting.
cool story bro
And it seems the answer is most probably “no.”
Brexit is like a bad prank or dare that has gone way too far.
Brexshit is also human work. Humans are not perfect. We will learn in time. But in any society. The balance between reason and stupidity is always more or less fifty fifty.
“If there is one fact we really can prove, from the history that we really do know, it is that despotism can be a development, often a late development and very often indeed the end of societies that have been highly democratic. A despotism may almost be defined as a tired democracy. As fatigue falls on a community, the citizens are less inclined for that eternal vigilance which has truly been called the price of liberty; and they prefer to arm only one single sentinel to watch the city while they sleep.”
― G.K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man
“There’s no English equivalent for silovik. It doesn’t translate succinctly because to create something as Machiavellian as a silovik requires both the KGB and the GRU, and then a shift from communism to capitalism, followed by a gear-grinding reverse into despotism.”
― Tanya Thompson, Red Russia
“The actions of government, we are told, bear down only on imprudent souls who provoke them. The man who resigns himself and keeps silent is always safe. Reassured by this worthless and specious argument, we do not protest against the oppressors. Instead we find fault with the victims. Nobody knows how to be brave even prudentially. Everyone stays silent, keeping his head low in the self-deceiving hope of disarming the powers that be by his silence. People give despotism free access, flattering themselves they will be treated with consideration. Eyes to the ground, each person walks in silence the narrow path leading him safely to the tomb.”
― Benjamin Constant, Principles of Politics Applicable to All Governments
“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt.
all of this is grim except for the hope that democracy succeeds, and our democracy and other countries democracies being at stake isnt funny. I dont understand why theres any laughing except for the part where boris johnson talked about haggis exports to mike pence lmao. sure I accept our political climate is bizarre, but the earths climate is out of control and theres not enough effort being put forth by leaders right now for us to reduce the harm we’re doing to the earth and prevent further damage. electoral college should have been abolished way back and we should of had al gore as president so the battle versus climate change could have started earlier and so we could have prevented this mess happening right now. of course thats all hindsight so what are you going to do. all you can do now is vote. inb4 trump2020 us us us bs bs bs ru ru ru you guys are selfish trolls obstructing progression and sabotaging our future stop worshiping a charlatan who your existence is worth dirt to. I have friends who support trump im not an idealogue and im not interested in changing minds all i can do is say my two cents, vote, and have hope that cognitive dissonance, ignorance, and corruption fails so that democracy succeeds.
really watching this whole video i was pretty much like this guy @8:17
It took this long for MSNBC to realize what jon stewart was trying to tell them
Boris Johnson = Owen Wilson meets Gary Busey…… in high winds!
Brexit is basically about tax evasion for the super rich.
Yep. Impeachment, 25th amendment… or two bullets in the head. 3 outs.
It’s hard to choose between impeachment or the 25th amendment. Both are appropriate. He’s incompetent and corrupt.
But does the USA have a process if the election results have to be questioned on a large scale because nothing is being done to stop Russian meddling? That would seem to me to be a very scary, uncalculable worst case scenario similar to Brexit!
This was interesting, but sorry Chris, I think you do not understand enough about the parliamentary system to make some of your comments. Don’t get me wrong; I generally think you are rather informed, but just not as well on that topic.
In no way is or was the UK system standing still, transfixed by the situation. Boris Johnson’s government is at all times one “no-confidence” vote away from dismissal; he can be gone tomorrow. There are other options, however, and some of these were indeed used. Also, Johnson is at all times still subject to the courts, where effectively, Trump’s indictable deeds are not — while in office.
The dilemma and balance between direct democracy and representational democracy is your big point, and it is fitting. IMHO, the idea of “50% + 1 vote” direct democracy on complex issues is the cause of all the Brexit horror. In no way should such a slim majority govern such a massive topic. Lacking a solid mandate, Britain has been tearing itself apart over this. A 60% majority would have been a workable margin.
As it stands, there is no rule against a second referendum to resolve the issue, since much more has been learned about the topic in the last three years. This may happen, and I personally doubt that Brexit would be a go-forward winner, nor that the margin would be close.
Still, my real comment is not against your position at all — I just want to register that their system is not so fragile, even in uncharted waters. As it stands, the stark difference between UK parliament actions, and actions by the Senators is the full difference. It’s money owning politics, and there, the rules of the road for each are the essential difference.
*You take another vote with, hopefully, a now better-informed population.*
Just look at how bold and egotistical the freaks and fruitloops like Chris Hayes have become.
have you never Seen parliamentary debate, an ugly thing….but fun to watch